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August 1st, 2012 - The End of TRR (ed. HYPOTHETICAL)


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hahaha. always easier to point fingers.

I'm pretty sure I have the right to point out the obvious after leading the clan for 3 years. If stating "activity needs to improve" and telling people that things need to change to thrive is "pointing fingers," I guess I'm guilty.

they're living - and others need to take the job

That's precisely what I'm saying needs to happen that hasn't. People quit and now no one else is stepping up. It's pretty hard to argue or find offense in that.

also, its summer. question for you. how come youre sitting at home playing with these forums? or why are you playing rs? summer. go outside. do something...

You have no idea what I've been doing all summer. You're here right now, I could say the same thing.

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I'm pretty sure I have the right to point out the obvious after leading the clan for 3 years. If stating "activity needs to improve" and telling people that things need to change to thrive is "pointing fingers," I guess I'm guilty.

You've been more inactive on rs then anyone, Please tell me again about being active.

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you led a clan for three years. youre not helping now. and youre calling the recruiters lazy... i know of..1. unless hes got experience, idk what kind of miracles you expect from him.well if youre so hellbent on keepin this afloat, why dont YOU try recruiting? youre right... and i couldnt give a shit even if you gave me a shit to give. as for me, im recovering from a knee op. not a whole lot i can do

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It's no secret I don't play RuneScape. I don't lead the clan anymore. I'm not involved in day to day operations at all.

Does that mean I can't see when there's a problem? No. Does that mean I can't try to fix said problem after I've seen it persist for weeks, if not months? No, and I would be letting TRR down if I did otherwise.

My question is this: why are you two so persistently fighting something that everyone in TRR should HOPE gets resolved? Why are you making this an issue about me when it's something every member in the clan has complained about since the end of June? All I'm doing is creating a thread and saying this: If you want TRR to succeed, the members need to do more than they are now.

There is absolutely nothing bad or disagreeable about that, and your insistence on reducing yourself to petty personal attacks...

[21:57] <resurr3ction> david
[22:03] <@Traaginen> yes?
[22:05] <resurr3ction> Your an idiot, and by far one of the stupidest people ive ever met, and thats put simply, this is also a collective agreement not just my own

...in the face of a POSITIVE change for TRR makes me believe you'd rather see your vendetta to the end instead of solving the problem at hand.

you led a clan for three years. youre not helping now. and youre calling the recruiters lazy... i know of..1. unless hes got experience, idk what kind of miracles you expect from him.

I was the sole recruiter of this clan for a year (2008) and saw it grow to 1600 registered members by 2010. I know recruiting. I did not say Carroll didn't do his job once anywhere in this thread.

well if youre so hellbent on keepin this afloat, why dont YOU try recruiting?

I've done it before. As you've said earlier, I've retired and have given others every opportunity to step up. This is exactly what you recommended earlier. For a year it's been fine, but now it's not working.

The fact of the matter is this: We've had like 20 applicants the entire summer. In previous years we've averaged 3 applications a day. Collectively there is a problem with recruiting. It's not just the Diplomats fault, it's everyone's.

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You've been more inactive on rs then anyone, Please tell me again about being active.

David isn't the clan leader anymore.. He has no reason to play RS he just helps with the Forums cause otherwise we wouldn't have a forum at all.. the only reason why David is ranked in game is because it's a safety net.

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Guys stop arguing about this.

There is no doubt that the clan has a problem with activity and we aren't getting many new recruits in, as a result turn outs for events are low. Heck we couldn't even get enough people together for a friendly clan war. Basically everything about the clan is being affected.

I disagree with David's methods of improving this (ie announcing the clan would be closed) in my opinion whilst it has the potential to work it does more harm than good, causing conflict amongst ourselves. Anyway I don't want to blame anyone for this all this means is that we need to work harder. Yes there are those who are preoccupied with other things and that's fine, but those who are able to should do their best to help.

Recruiting has gotten harder since I was last in the clan, the fan sites no longer have much activity and people in the Official forums are turned off by the idea of having to visit a website that they are unsure of, but we can work around that. In essence the ratio of people who are suited to TRR has decreased (although due to official support for clans the total number of people looking for clans has increased) so all this means is that we need to post more so that we can ensure we're reaching the right people. Basically if there's anyone who has some free time for recruiting they should do so and apply to become a diplomat (heck 30 minutes is enough to do an okay amount of recruiting, more is better but at this stage any little bit helps). Heck even if you don't want to take up the responsibility of a staff position you can still help out with recruiting, if your unsure how you can contact me and I'll let you know how you can help.

If recruiting isn't your thing then turn up to events. If your in the clan you obviously play Runescape so all you need to do is play the game. If the events team can post about successful events that looks good for the clan which makes it easier to recruit people, more members means more people attending events, and so on. Its all connected. So basically if you see an event that your kind of interested in and its at all convenient go to it. If there aren't any events that interest you and are held at convenient times then make that event.

Asides from that, log into the clan chat (and talk to people in it, there is no point in you being in it if you aren't going to reply to people when they're talking to you), reply to topics on the forums create your own etc.

If there's a war alert, and you do some combat then reply saying you will go. Wars are generally set for times that they will be convenient for most people, obviously if you have other commitments that takes priority but if you've got nothing else to do then just do it.

Yes this clan should be all about having an accepting laid back friendly community but there is work that needs to be done to make that happen otherwise the clan will cease to exist no matter how friendly and happy everyone is.
Its not a whole lot to ask for but if everyone does this it makes a huge difference and basically we would no longer have any problems with the clan.

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David isn't the clan leader anymore.. He has no reason to play RS he just helps with the Forums cause otherwise we wouldn't have a forum at all.. the only reason why David is ranked in game is because it's a safety net.

how can he claim that no ones ever on, Like ive told you Cons. This clan's mostly Eastern based. And its the summer when people take trips and visit family/friends. No ones going to jump to be active for trr's sake. This clan is based to bring people together, talk, and have a friendly atmosphere, not worry about activity, or recruiting. Of course someone has to do it. Deathirst has been doing something i'm sure of it, Not everyone was as commited to recruiting daily like me or others that worked along side with me.

It's no secret I don't play RuneScape. I don't lead the clan anymore. I'm not involved in day to day operations at all.

Does that mean I can't see when there's a problem? No. Does that mean I can't try to fix said problem after I've seen it persist for weeks, if not months? No, and I would be letting TRR down if I did otherwise.

My question is this: why are you two so persistently fighting something that everyone in TRR should HOPE gets resolved? Why are you making this an issue about me when it's something every member in the clan has complained about since the end of June? All I'm doing is creating a thread and saying this: If you want TRR to succeed, the members need to do more than they are now.

There is absolutely nothing bad or disagreeable about that, and your insistence on reducing yourself to petty personal attacks...
...in the face of a POSITIVE change for TRR makes me believe you'd rather see your vendetta to the end instead of solving the problem at hand.


I was the sole recruiter of this clan for a year (2008) and saw it grow to 1600 registered members by 2010. I know recruiting. I did not say Carroll didn't do his job once anywhere in this thread.

First of all we both see the problem. Your expecting people to sit at home all summer and be active and spend their time recruiting or posting on forums. Im POSITIVE thats not how people feel like spending their entire summer.
I said what i said, Its not a "petty personal attacks" The moment i saw this post i directed people towards it for their own personal opinions, and guess what, Everyone thought what you had done is Stupid. Its not just me, Sorry for being the voice of a collective group of people. Next time you decide to "fake the termination of Trr" post a reason or two. Not just a Vid of an old Clan wars fight. If everyone hopes to resolve this, How will it? no ones active anyways right?? No im not stepping up and recruiting again. I would have liked Trr to stay the way it was. When i come on theres always someone to say hello to. As well as do things with. Not worry about how many people i recruited today and how many signed up on this forum. I'm speaking my mind, As i am Canadian, Ive grown up knowing this right through and through. YOU did say David over the last few months (id go as far as saying June/July which is when i was a Diplomat) that there wasnt enough recruiting done. Oddly enough I was part of that recruiting. So whether you ment it or not thats what you had said. David, You entire miss the point of trr which is just having friends to help enjoy Rs, to talk to, PVM, quest, and joke around with, But i understand, all that has mattered to you lately is seeing Recruiting done and posts on this forum.

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how can he claim that no ones ever on

I was this morning and for a period of 2 hours no one was in the clan chat besides myself. This can be verified by Brad and others. As I write this, there are 5 people in the clan chat. There have always been 20+ throughout the summer. This is a problem and it's inarguable.

And its the summer when people take trips and visit family/friends. No ones going to jump to be active for trr's sake.

You're right. Summer is also the time when no one worries about school, and comparatively it's 500% more active. I'm not telling people to ignore their family... I'm saying when they're on RuneScape they need to be more involved in TRR. I don't know where you're getting this meme that I want 100% time devoted to TRR.

Of course someone has to do it.

Precisely what's not happening. One person is not going to get it done, several teams of 4+ people is what will. No one is even applying.

Your expecting people to sit at home all summer and be active and spend their time recruiting or posting on forums.

Completely false. I have no idea where you've gotten this from.

The moment i saw this post i directed people towards it for their own personal opinions, and guess what, Everyone thought what you had done is Stupid.

Am I supposed to be surprised 2-3 people thought closing their clan was stupid? I highly doubt everyone responded to "is closing the clan stupid?" with "Traaginen by far one of the stupidest people ive ever met."Believe it or not this wasn't done just to piss people off. This is a REAL possibility that I'm telling you WILL happen if nothing changes.

"fake the termination of Trr

It's not fake. This is what I'm going to do unless I see a desire for the clan to continue.

YOU did say David over the last few months (id go as far as saying June/July which is when i was a Diplomat) that there wasnt enough recruiting done.

You don't understand what I said. Recruiting has been horrible all summer besides for 1 week. This does NOT mean you weren't doing your job successfully. The Diplomats have been comprised of like two, MAYBE three people doing something AT MOST recently. In the past we've had 4-6, all working. It's a collective problem, I was not singling everyone out and saying they weren't doing anything.One person doing a great job is still not going to equal the output of 4 doing it.

David, You entire miss the point of trr

I'm sorry I don't get the mission statement of the clan I founded.I don't understand why anyone is upset. I made this thread to ruffle some feathers, and now we have more activity and ideas then we've had in weeks. Mission successful?

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people have no desire to do shit for the clan cause well... its falling apart. shit, its in pieces. it was falling apart back in June.mission accomplished? seems you have management problems. think i brought that up back in, hm, May. this is petty bullshit, and i have better ways to waste time.

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people have no desire to do shit for the clan cause well... its falling apart. shit, its in pieces. it was falling apart back in June.mission accomplished? seems you have management problems. think i brought that up back in, hm, May. this is petty bullshit, and i have better ways to waste time.

You keep saying things like that, yet you're still here despite having quit ages ago. Just leave if that's how you feel, no one is forcing you to stay.As far as management problems, the only thing you've done since arriving here is complain and cause "petty bullshit". Your first post in this thread was "always easier to point fingers." That's all you've ever done, and unlike others, have never done anything or took any position that gives you any right to claim you know better than those who are actually trying.

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I was this morning and for a period of 2 hours no one was in the clan chat besides myself. This can be verified by Brad and others. As I write this, there are 5 people in the clan chat.Am I supposed to be surprised 2-3 people thought closing their clan was stupid? I highly doubt everyone responded to "is closing the clan stupid?" with "Traaginen by far one of the stupidest people ive ever met."Believe it or not this wasn't done just to piss people off. This is a REAL possibility that I'm telling you WILL happen if nothing changes.It's not fake. This is what I'm going to do unless I see a desire for the clan to continue.You don't understand what I said. Recruiting has been horrible all summer besides for 1 week. This does NOT mean you weren't doing your job successfully. The Diplomats have been comprised of like two, MAYBE three people doing something AT MOST recently. In the past we've had 4-6, all working.One person doing a great job is still not going to equal the output of 4 doing it.I'm sorry I don't get the mission statement of the clan I founded.I don't understand why anyone is upset. I made this thread to ruffle some feathers, and now we have more activity and ideas then we've had in weeks. Mission successful?

No all you did is anger people. And i can be the spokesperson for that very thing.Why is activity so important, The entire time i was a member of Trr it was always just talking to people and enjoying rs. not about how many people were recruited daily and worrying about how many people were on at any time.You were on in the morning. Even the people that are usually active daily like to sleep in it is the summer so coincidence no one was on?This mission statement you speak of. As i had said during my time with Trr, friendliness and chatting have been #1 things about trr. As you said you dont go on RS anymore. So how would you know why people are in trr these days? I can say for a fact most just enjoy having people to talk to while they do what they do on RS.I'm sure for a month straight there were 10+ recruited a week.(not all of which stayed i know)No people didnt say you were the stupidest person they've ever met, but back to me being canadian, I have the right to freedom of speech so i said what i thought. I did not say everyone agreed with that statement, but people have said what you did was stupid nonetheless. You've run this clan for 3 years and all you do is post a vid saying the clans done august 1st, Obviously people are going to want an explaination which you failed to provide. Even Constanci0 said himself that was stupid.If your going to End the Clan. Do it. You seem to hold all the power. And know everything about what people want in this clan.Why do ex trr members visit the cc from time to time? because they enjoyed talking, and return to do the very same thing. Kind of weird if you ask me since our Recruiting hasnt been up to "David's standards"

As far as management problems, the only thing you've done since arriving here is complain and cause "petty bullshit". Your first post in this thread was "always easier to point fingers." That's all you've ever done, and unlike others, have never done anything or took any position that gives you any right to claim you know better than those who are actually trying.

He's an Ex Diplomat as well. From the same time period as me. I think he did his part, in fact he helped recruit even before he became a diplomat himself.

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Sigh,

Why is everyone fighting?

From my point of view though admitttedly it may incorrect but it seems that the whole point of this thread was to get some feedback on the clan.

Which you all admirably have given whether it was actually useful or not is a different story.

I like hitting the enter key for fun.


See.

Now.

There's a lot of finger pointing and pointless arguing that is getting everyone no where.
Sure there are problems and I won't even bother going over what has already been covered.
Instead of you members bitching and complaining saying there needs to be new blood in leadership or that there isn't enough being done.
Let me ask you this: What is stopping you from stepping up and putting forth effort to get this clan of yours on track to what you all want it to be?
It ISN'T David's job to do everything. Hell I've been there and witnessed it personally. Good for him to retire and entrust the clan onto others. All that means is that he has enough faith in you to keep it going and alive in his place. So it hasn't gone as peachy as everyone would like. It's been slowly declining. How dare he point out everything that's wrong and encourage members to take it upon themselves and step up to plate and show that they are responsible enough to lead the clan onto bigger and better things.


people have no desire to do shit for the clan cause well... its falling apart. shit, its in pieces. it was falling apart back in June.

Seriously? What right do you have to say anything about the clan then? If that's the attitude that you've taken then allow me to ask you this:

Why are you still here? If it has fallen apart and is in pieces since June, why haven't you brought it up with your leaders to share your concerns or better yet try and reverse what you see and think is happening? No one wants to see their clan fall apart and be dragged down. Proof of this is why I'm even bothering to post this despite not even being in the clan. Or as to why David has bothered to create this thread all together.

That aside. So while we're at it why not turn this thread into a giant cluster dump on the clan and let's all just rage quit and call each other names.

Well. Screw you guys. My dad can beat up your dad.


Honestly. Okay, if you are so dissatisfied with the clan then let it out. Share what you think is broken and let's see if there's anything that we can do to address those concerns. Honestly if we all do work together we can fix what is broken.

From what I've gotten from skimming over here are some key issues that are being had.


- There is no major effort being put forth by the clan as a whole to recruit new members.

- Low activity

- Many members are currently on vacation and are unable or unwilling to post on forums/play RS

What else?

Instead of bickering among yourselves let's all get this shit together and fix it.

Honestly. What are you accomplishing by going back and forth.

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aside from the comic relief, i do believe something could be accomplished with henry in here.everytime i made an effort to IMPROVE[...or 'change' ] anything, it got shit all over. the fact i got grilled on an application for being a diplomat- after i had already recruited 5+ people. now, why bother trying for anything above when such a simple choice was scrutinized. look back on the recruitment tracker. i did my job, and then felt bad for false advertising. its not all traags job, agreed. whos job is it then to get new management? cause apparently, its complete shit.i did my time here, got fed up with how every fucking issue was hushed and swept under the rug. NOTHING was ever accomplished. so i left, simple, right? i like some of the people here, which is why im here.henry. lets sort this out. after school, at the swingset.

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Thanks for your input it was... Bonerific.

I made an attempt?

But really, alright. So even though it's not my position or place to say this.

If you or anyone else got "shit on" or anything of the sort after making an effort whether that was what happened or not.

I'm sorry that, that is what happened.

This here is an eye opener for the clan and truthfully I'm glad this thread happened.

Alright. So there are issues. Let's fix them.

What's holding us back? We have the everything that is needed: Recruitment Ads, Forums, A Great Clan History, etc.... it's all there.
So again I'll ask it. What's holding TRR back?

One word: Laziness.

It's this attitude: "Well fuck, no one else is doing anything or putting any effort into this shit. Why the hell should I bother?"

Let's take a step back and see where that got us.

IT MADEZ US SUPAH AWSUM SAWSE AMIRITE?

/sarcasm.

See what I'm getting at?

On a side note, I'm sorry that you felt like you were being attacked during your application but I'm sure that wasn't the intent. My explanation for the reasoning of that would be because in the past there have been many how to say this... "Rank Chasers" who just want the rank for the rank and don't actually do any of the shit that it entails. Past examples would be ET aka Event Team members who would work hard for about a week or two then once they got the rank they would do honest to god shit all which was absolutely infuriating.

So, how about it?

While this is here let's turn this into a thread of any concerns anyone has about the clan and what we can do to fix it.

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thats where i leave. your problem, ese, not mine




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