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Tristan

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Who is a better leader, Ulfric or Tullius, Explain

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David

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For Skyrim? Ulfric. Tullius does nothing but bitch and moan about the people of Skyrim when ever you interact with him.In general, probably Tullius.

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I respect them both but the better leader would have to be Ulfric, He is controlling a rather large REBEL army, and doing great before you enter the main story, Tullius is just a man doing his job, hes not even fighting for nuthin, not even Skyrim

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Well Tullius is an Imperial from the Legion, so I will excuse him not caring about Skyrim.I think Tullius is the better leader just because he makes me giggle. I don't really like Ulfric though, so maybe that influenced my decision.

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Ulfric is better dressed, that's for sure. I'm going with him because he can shout and he had to build up his army on his own. However, it's a stupid move to fight the Empire. Who else is strong enough to fight the Thalmor.By the way, shouldn't this be a poll?

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I don't think anybody really cares about the results enough to constitute the creation of a poll.AND ULFRIC BETTER DRESSED? I beg to differ. His outfit makes your character look fat. Also Tulius looks aged and wise. I would definitely give my virginity to Tulius.

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Well, Tullias does have the more stylish uniform, mostly because it's an actual uniform... Ulfric makes his outfit look badass, whether or not you look fat in it shouldn't matter, any decent human being, in my opinion, wouldn't kill Ulfric Stormcloak.

 

It's not a pole because when I made this I was a stupid kid, and now I have to re-edit everything so I don't come off as some sort of down syndrome reject.



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I didn't mean to sound like a homo, (I'm not,) I'm just saying that cloak looks awesome.

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David

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Is it possible to get the cloak without using the console or mods? I keep reading about people going off on how they have it but since I've never gone through that quest line I don't know if it's a reward or what.

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Tristan

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You get to murder Ulfric at the end of the Legion storyline, you get his cloak as a reward, should you choose to take it.



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I'm assuming that's only if you choose to be with the Legion? I always lean towards the Cloaks, but that may change my mind since I don't really care either way.Oh, and instead of posting multiple times in a row, you can use the "Edit" button at the bottom of every post. It allows you to add additional information if you forgot anything. Otherwise Mods will usually just merge them together. :)

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Idk I like Tulius' outfit better. But I've never gotten it cause I can't force myself to side with the Rebels.

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First off, I'd like to say my opinion is unbiased, i see the point on both sides.Who's the better leader ?.... hard to say really, whichever side you go with, acts with better military intelligence & doctrine, regardless of your actions. I understand Jarl Ulfrics point about wishing to worship Talos freely, being betrayed in the Markarth Incident, that would anger me as well. Jarl Ulfric didn't murder the high king, he DID challenge High King Tyragg to one on one combat, High King Tyragg didn't stand a chance but accepted and fought to the death, respectable, but foolish. Jarl Ulfric killed him to make his cause known, attract attention and rally a formidable force to his cause. I commend Jarl Ulfric for fighting for what he beleives in, but he's more of a coward than his subjects would like to beleive, also, the stormcloaks are by NO means racists nor bigots. There are a few, but thats just realistic, do any of you think that if they were a "nord-only" society that you could join the rebellion if your an alien to their land? No.. you also have to prove your loyalty (like on both sides) and leave your criminal past behind you (Jarl Ulfric wishes for a lawful, strengthed Skyrim, Honrable yes) and fight with valor in your steel, and truth in your hearts. And another point, if YOU were in Jarl Ulfrics shoes, and you were called a "racist" and beleived that argonians, mer, etc were REALLY spies, would YOU let them reside and open business in your city ? likely not. Personally, I respect both men, but Ulfric is arrogant and selfish, but a damn good military commander, along with Galmar Stone-Fist anyways, Jarl Ulfric consults all he can on the war. I call Jarl Ulfric arrogant, because his rebellion is going to destroy all of Tamriel. How you ask ? Simple, Aldermi domion is the bosmer and high elves, both deadly, high elves especially. During the white-gold concord in which the worship of Talos was banned, the empire handed over half of Hammerfell to the elves. The redguards were NOT happy about that at all, they rebelled, left the empire and when the elves came marching in, the redguards slaughtered them, and sent them home with their tails between their legs. The empire now only has High rock of the bretons and orcs, but high rock is half the size of Skyrim, they have the war ravaged cyrodiil. And if they lose Skyrim to Jarl Ulfric, there Empire, the only force possible of building up against the elves, will be useless, the redgaurds and Nords did the bulk of the fighting in the empires wars. Black marsh invaded morrowind more or less, the argonians are running rampant through the dark elves lands, killing aimlessly. Elyswer, the kajihiit, are undecided. Basically its thisAldmeri Dominion:Summerset Isles/High elves = Distached from the rest of the continent, cutting off foot attacks, like the orcs, the empires remaining Infantry force.High elves= Deadly magic, of all kinds, Cunning, One step ahead, over confident.Valenwood= Large jungled province, south of cyrodiil, neighboor to the kahjiit, cyrodiil is an easy target for the wood elves, with many forests to bunker down in, and many animals to command.Wood Elves= Controls animals, can bend the woods to their will, amazing marksmen that can drop targets from terrifying distances.Empire:Imperials=Well rounded, not much magic, more trade and melee combat than anything.Cyrodiil= Totally War ravagedHigh Rock=Neighboors with hammerfell, which is independent now, meaning the empire lost alot of military prowess. Neighboors With Skyrim, also Cyrodiil, if they try to attack High rock, they must travel through one of the three warrior nations (Cyrodiil would be rebuilt by that time the aldmeri dominion strikes next). So naturally guarded.Orcs=Raw melee killing power, Some magic resistance (according to oblivion) but no connection to attack the summerset isles, unless cyrodiil can dispatch its naval force (which it's been know for) to transport them to the shores of the high elves, but its hard to say if they'd make it that far.Bretons=Conjurers & healers mainly, an amazing asset, nearly doubles what the military is worth, summoning creatures, two per mage, triples the numbers there (keep in mind high rock is a small province, and split between two races) and healing the wounded men-at-arms and Bowmen.Skyrim= If lost, the Empire is easy pickings for the elves. Full of powerful nords, but will be a crumbled Empire, no matter who wins due to Jarl Ulfrics Arrogant but honorable rebellionBlackmarsh/Morrowind= In control of the argonians, they would make incredible allies to ambush the summerset isles, swin through the ocean to the elves shores, enter sewers, open castle gates, don't forget the shadow sclaes... but they aren't answering to anyone.Elyswer= The Kahjiit, Neutral, druglords, but incredible tacticans, and suited to perfectly dispatch all of valenwood, read mixed unit tactics for a brief telling of why.No leader is truly better than one another, Tullius isn't as intelligent as one would think, nor Jarl Ulfric as corageous. The longer the Civil war rages, the stronger the Elves get, and the weaker the empire, and once the empire is gone, nothing will stop the elves."A teacher was having a problem with two of her students, they always bickered and fought with each other, after class one day she showed them a flat stone, she asked them each what colour it was. one said black, the other shouted; No! its WHITE! the teacher then flipped the rock, revealing that it was black on one side, and white upon the other." Never be quick to rule an opinion or option out, always look for the other side of the stone.

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So, I had waffles for lunch today.

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I like mine with peanut butter topped with syrup, strawberries or bananas if im feeling adventerous :P




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